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Typical Conversation -
John Allen:
Just
continues to amaze me the ignorance of modern people and their continued belief
in all things supernatural - be it ghosts or goblins or age old mysticism of
religions of ANY kind..
Simple
Man
It
continues to amaze me that anyone would write off the possibility when it can
never be disproved.
alexinfinite:
Prove magic is
real and we might consider your god more than a figment of imagination and
fairy tales.
You dismiss
vampires and fairies without much second thought, but the moment everyone's
favorite magic man in the sky gets involved (god) then it's confusing why he
gets waved off. How many other deities get waved off that people have killed
and died fighting for? Rome had an entire pantheon!
Simple
Man:
By what standard
should it be proved?
As I told
you yesterday on another thread; Christianity is not about some
pie-in-the-sky. Christianity is about the God-man Jesus Christ who walked this
earth, claimed to be God, did miracles, rose from the read and established a
church that 2000 years later is two-billion people strong.
Jesus
miracles and divinity were attested by eye-witness accounts and corroborated
even by those who hated and wished they could dismiss him.
I provided
you ample proof for belief in Christ's divinity and you dismissed it all out of
hand without considering it.
The same
standards by which one would prove that something is true: by observation and
evidence.
We know gravity
works because we can observe its effects. We know what causes gravity, and we
are bound by it.
So by those
standards, we can look at god and deem a lack of evidence for his existence.
How could one
demonstrate proof for god? A demonstrable and repeatable supernatural (as in
something beyond scientific explanation) incident.
For instance, a
priest stands on a street corner in the middle of a city on a clear and sunny
day, and speaks a word and rocks fall from the sky. That would convince me that
something supernatural had occurred. And if it happened again, I would be
convinced that a supernatural entity were involved.
That's not a lot
to ask for, considering Jesus himself said that prayer can move mountains. I'm
only asking for a few rocks.
Creation
testifies to the glory of God and the skies above proclaim his handiwork.
If individuals
can look at the intricacy and complexity of nature, from our DNA to distant
stars, the functioning of our brain and laws of nature which allow us to live,
move and breathe - and then conclude that there is no God... rocks falling from
the sky will be easy to dismiss.
It must be an
asteroid or meteor, the priest must be an astronomer / scientist on the side
and been able to calculate the trajectory of the fragments... Our brain can do
incredible gymnastics when faced with a reality we don't like.
Jesus has
created a universe in which the evidence for his existence is obvious for those
who are willing to bow the knee to his supremacy. Jesus came to this earth as
further proof of God's presence and existence. Jesus testified -
'Light has come
into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds
were evil.'
Jesus also
stated - 'Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my
teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.' The contingent factor on
knowing whether Jesus is God is first being willing to follow God - you must
"taste and see" that God is good.
Augustine put it
this way - 'Seek not to understand that you may believe, but to believe that
you may understand'.
Jesus said -
“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will
never enter the kingdom of heaven."
Again, Jesus
says - “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden
these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.
Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do."
"And
without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him
must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek
him." - (Hebrews 11:6)
I realize you
will likely accept none of this, but this is how it pleased God to make the
Universe - "Shall the clay say to the potter - 'what are you
making'"?
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